FEMA ORDERED 102,000 Boxcars With Shackles!


ANONYMOUS COWARD
2/1/2008


THE FACTS-GUNDERSON PRISONER BOXCARS WITH SHACKLES-A REPORT

Here is a summary of the previous information circulating about Gunderson’s PRISONER BOXCARS WITH SHACKLES from previous reports circulating all over the nation on this subject, which I have written. BRENT GUNDERSON is challenging my information. CAN YOU PROVE HIM WRONG??? Many people have raised skeptical questions about reports of prisoner BOXCARS AND SHACKLES being sighted across America. Some people think that they are only reported originally through Phil Schnieder in a Patriot interview. Recently, someone erroneously reported that MY information on them originated from Phil Schnieder.

WRONG! My research and documentation on the boxcars and shackles goes far beyond Phil´s interview. Long before I heard of him, I had eyewitness information on these boxcars. A van full of eyewitnesses, missionaries traveling across America to evangelize and pray, stumbled across these boxcars in Montana, near Columbia Falls in Glacier. They described boxcars, in this case painted black, with shackles welded into them and a modern guillotine at the head of each boxcar inside. As they were photographing mountain scenery, they decided to follow railroad tracks into the wilderness so as to not get lost. This is how they came upon these boxcars with shackles. I later received a report from Lee Harrington of Valier, MT, who was a professional metal worker. He told me how in Glascow, MT, summer youth workers were employed to weld shackles into boxcars in that operation. They were then shipped west to Glacier and stored on remote sidetracks. Passing through the Blackfoot Indian Reservation in Cutbank, a local Blackfoot Indian, George Bullcalf, spotted these strange boxcars. When I interviewed local Patriots in Columbia Falls, they confirmed that hunters often stumbled upon such boxcars on remote train spurs in that wilderness region.

I THEN TRAVELED TO PORTLAND OREGON, and lectured in the home of an actual employee of GUNDERSON STEEL FABRICATION. The wife of this high level executive called this meeting personally to make a public admission. In the meeting were OTHER GUNDERSON EMPLOYEES who had witnessed the prisoner boxcars in the higher than normal, three floor/three tier prisoner boxcars.

She admitted that her husband finally told her that GUNDERSON WAS UNDER SECRET CONTRACT FROM THE US GOVERNMENT TO PRODUCE THESE PRISONER BOXCARS. She also admitted that Gunderson had a satellite factory for a boxcars with shackles operation in Texas.

I called Col. Jim Ammerman in Texas, famous military Patriot-lecturer against martial law, and told him about this. He replied, “A friend of mine who is a metal welder called me recently, and said he had gone to apply for a job in offered in Texas for welding. When he was told that it involved WELDING SHACKLES INTO BOXCARS, he declined the job!”

I later interviewed Russian immigrants in this area who admitted that some of their people were working at Gunderson, and one young man, Sasha, admitted working on prisoner boxcars and described them completely to his Russian Christian friends there. THE RUSSIAN COMMMUNITY NOW KNOWS ABOUT THEM AND IS VERY AFRAID OF THE IMPLICATIONS!!! Many Russians still work there.

Another source, WATCHDOG, a retired military vet with a watchdog group, described yet another boxcar with shackles operation in New Hampshire, with three tiered boxcars fitted with shackles.

Metal worker Lee Harrington also described 20,000 CHINESE prisoner boxcars with shackles and modern guillotines, in the form of 40 foot railroad containers, coming into America via the west coast. They were ordered by the American government through a Senator who visited China and ordered these items. Workers unloading them became suspicious and began to investigate and discovered these horrors from China. Such 40 foot cargo containers from China are now piled up along the West Coast, especially around Long Beach Naval Shipyard, turned over the Chinese. I receive constant reports across America regarding these types of prisoner boxcars from former radio listeners and Patriots across America…and Canada. Recently, a former high level satanist from the mountains of North Carolina, now a Christian and receiving discipleship, admitted that boxcars with shackles were indeed in the mountains of NC and waiting for the hour of martial law. (Asheville, NC) He warned that many Patriots and Christians arrested and secured into these prisoner boxcars under martial law will never even make it to the death camps..that many will be tortured and sacrificed once restrained in these prisoner boxcars.

 

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  • 2/20/2008 7:40 PM petemoss wrote:
    A few months ago I asked trainorders.com a train buff site what these cars actually are. I was told that they are specially built for transporting high clearance vehicles. Anything other than that is just over imaginitive speculation. As for guillotines, what a mess that would make hey? Be better to gas or shoot you don't ya think?
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    1. 2/23/2008 2:18 AM Mr. E wrote:
      Gas and bullets cost money don't they?

      Nothing is cheaper then kinetic energy...
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      1. 8/22/2013 4:44 AM lenovo p770 wrote:
        nice post, I can see your point, please keep updating.
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    2. 9/29/2008 7:46 PM Shannon Sullivan wrote:
      What are they You Ask?

      http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/04/ED5OUPQJ7.DTL
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      1. 10/9/2009 12:02 PM Heart of a Patriot wrote:
        Of course there are easier methods to kill people but not if you want to harvest the body parts intact, and fresh when you need to sell them to the highest bidder.
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    3. 5/11/2013 1:38 PM ann wrote:
      these are real facts?
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    4. 5/11/2013 1:46 PM RV wholesaler wrote:
      When an SUV has a rollover in a accident, there are two main types: tripped and un-tripped. Tripped rollovers occur when the SUV goes off the road and either sinks its tires into soil that is soft or strikes something. The impact causes the vehicle to tip and roll, which can also occur on a steep grade of ground.
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    5. 5/17/2013 1:27 PM car donations wrote:
      Shackles can become bent, corroded, or rusted over time, especially with off-road use, and may need to be upgraded or changed out. The are many aftermarket manufacturers such as Teraflex, Daystar, Warrior, and Rugged Ridge which make heavy duty shackles to replace the factory units.
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  • 2/26/2008 1:58 PM Stephen wrote:
    While stopped at a red light in Fort Payne, AL this past weekend, I watched a train with about 8 or 10 of these same white three-tiered boxcars pass by at about 30 mph. The "windows" on each car consisted of a cross-hatched lattice painted white. There were three rows of windows on each car. The train was heading southeast from Chattanooga, TN to Birmingham, AL. It did not (fortunately) stop in Fort Payne.
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    1. 2/27/2008 3:11 PM Mr. E wrote:
      Crazy.... so they do exist..
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      1. 1/20/2011 10:12 PM jadebullet wrote:
        Yes. They carry cars. I see them all the time.
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        1. 4/8/2013 6:01 AM workers compensation wrote:
          These images of boxcars with shackles make me shiver, I think this is no way to treat a human being by putting them in those boxcars, even if we're talking about prisoners. I'm sure there are plenty of other more humane ways of moving inmates.
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          1. 6/6/2013 1:19 AM delhiwebsite-designingteam wrote:
            Nicely written information in this post, I prefer to read this kind of stuff. The quality of content is fine and the conclusion is advantage.
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      2. 5/7/2011 6:16 AM gout symptoms wrote:
        They should have hide it with something.
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  • 6/12/2008 8:55 AM Raimond wrote:
    I have a question regarding these "shackles". Unless these shackles are bolted to the outside where prisoners will be dangling like squirrel tails, they will be inside. Now, unless the the cars are unlocked, open, and unguarded,who's gonna see anything inside? Enquiring minds, you know. I'm not going to bad-mouth anyone here. As an example of incorrect information on the internet, the famous photos of FEMA camps in Nashville, Tn.,on Briley Parkway, are not FEMA camps or empty, or even on Briley Parkway. There are three facilities. New Visions Youth Development Center for criminal adolescent females, Woodland Hills Youth Development Center for Criminal male adolescents and a few girls, and the Tennessee Prison for Women. The street name is Stewarts Lane. They can be looked up on the internet and have plenty of info to verify their reality. Take care.
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    1. 9/29/2008 7:44 PM Shannon Sullivan wrote:
      Those lying bastards at the San Fransisco Chronicle!!

      http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/04/ED5OUPQJ7.DTL
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  • 6/29/2008 8:16 PM kenny wrote:
    i used to work for toyota motor manufacturing of north america. these are not prisoner cars. they are train cars used for transporting new vehicles from the factories to where ever they are going. the so called shackles are not shackles at all. they are chains with "eye rings" on them used to secure the vehicles. besides if the government is doing what you are accusing them of they wouldn't be stupid enough to leave them out where anyone can see them. they have kept ufo's under cover for years, you think they can't keep a few train cars secret. let's get real.
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    1. 9/29/2008 7:50 PM Shannon Sullivan wrote:
      102,000 is a few?
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      1. 6/3/2010 5:12 AM Grant wrote:
        easy for You to say, when You see these these boxcars up close You can see that these boxcars are too skinny to fit autos into. these are definately not used for cars. I work near downtown portland oregon and near a commercial rail station. and these type of boxcars are sometimes parked out back from where I work. I have got a pretty good look at them on a few ocasions.
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        1. 1/20/2011 10:24 PM jadebullet wrote:
          They used to put cars in regular sized boxcars back before autoracks. Hell, autoracks first started in the 1960s. They were open, until vandalism caused metal sheeting to be placed around the load. I mean, the autoracks above were around in the 1980s.


          Time to blow your mind. Keep in mind that these autoracks are the standard width for railcars. We don't really make them wider, or thinner. The only thing about them is that they are tall. (excessive height cars.)
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autorack

          Those poor FEMA prisoners. No survivors from the carnage.
          http://www.railpictures.net/images/d1/8/5/3/2853.1045360080.jpg

          http://www.polyweb.com/dans_rr/blog/index.php/archives/62

          http://www8.cpr.ca/cms/English/Customers/Existing+Customers/DPCS/Tips/Automotive/Bridge+plates.htm

          Another prison loading facility.
          http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/tr_autorack.jpg

          That poor prisoner. Left to rot in the sun.
          http://www.railpictures.net/images/d1/0/7/8/6078.1123002540.jpg
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        2. 1/20/2011 10:27 PM jadebullet wrote:
          Just one more for you.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBO24iVVw-4
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        3. 3/19/2012 12:16 PM Nicole wrote:
          I live in the Portland area and would love to get a first hang look at these boxcars. Can you give me exact directions to where they are located?
          Thank you.
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          1. 1/26/2013 6:39 PM donate a car wrote:
            FEMA is preparing to move lots of prisoners with these brand new boxcars, and I don't know whether to congratulate them on choosing a more modern means of transport, or to rue the poor condition of our over-crowded prison system.
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    2. 6/19/2011 7:45 AM James wrote:
      Sure, just keep on telling yourself that's what these railcars are for.
      Figure this out: If everyone over 18
      in America bought a new car every month, the auto industry wouldn't need even one tenth this many transporters.
      And what are thousands of them doing parked in remote locations in Montana and Wyoming hundreds of miles from any car manufacturing or distribution facility?
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      1. 6/20/2011 1:08 AM jadebullet wrote:
        Yeah, it is an autorack. And actually, yes, they would. You see, cars get exported to other countries. Also, dealerships are constantly moving product off of the lots as new stuff comes in.

        What are they doing in remote locations? Storage. The auto industry is down. They are being stored all over. Hell, there was a town that was complaining because a huge train of them was parked through the entire town for a few months. Do me a favor. Go to the railroad tracks near your house. Wait for one of these cars to roll by and look inside as it passes. You will either see nothing, or cars.
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    3. 8/24/2011 8:24 PM James Bayle wrote:
      There's nothing more secure than hiding what you want to conceal in plain sight and simply disguising it as something else. Since some of these types of railcars are often seen transporting automobiles, the easy, obvious, and intended assumption will be made by most people that all of them must be for that purpose. But the fundamental problem and dead giveaway is the enormously disproportionate number of railcars. Only some 320,000 motor vehicles are manufactured in the U.S. each month. With an average of 15 vehicles carried on each railcar and two round trips per month, this would only use some 10,600 railcars. And this does not take into account that most cars to be delivered within 200 miles of the factory are usually carried by truck since it is prohibitively expensive to load them onto trains and then later transfer them to trucks for final delivery. You can add up the numbers forwards, backwards and sideways, but there is no way you can come up with any need for more than 10% of the 102,000 railcars already delivered. Oops, I forgot about the 20,000 more on order! There is no need for the government to go to the additional effort and expense to hide all the unneeded (at least for now) railcars since they have managed to so successfully carry off their deception with so many people. But fortunately, a few have seen through it.
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  • 8/29/2008 10:32 AM tom wrote:
    Kenny...
    Think it through idiot. What on god green earth is FEMA doing with car cariers? Do car carriers need windows to let cars breathe. No dum bass. Our antiquated rail system couldn't hold
    the weight of one railcar loaded with cars.
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    1. 1/5/2009 2:18 PM Perseus Traxx wrote:
      though it is debatable why prisoners in shackles would need windows, or an upper level compartment that is significantly taller in height than the two below
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    2. 3/17/2010 3:48 AM Bob wrote:
      Kenny, Hate to dissolution you, but these cars do in fact transport automobiles. I run a truck route in and out of numerous auto manufacturing plants and these cars are always present. The reason they are enclosed as they are is to prevent damage to the vehicles during transport by those who would throw rocks, take random shots, spray paint graffiti or otherwise damage vehicles in shipment. While I agree that our current rail system is outdated, in poor repair and generally dangerous, these train cars criss-cross the country by the hundeds, every day of the week.
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  • 9/24/2008 4:47 PM New car prices wrote:
    snip>Metal worker Lee Harrington also described 20,000 CHINESE prisoner boxcars with shackles and modern guillotines, in the form of 40 foot railroad containers, coming into America via the west coast. They were ordered by the American government through a Senator who visited China and ordered these items.

    Your guess as to which senator this might be.
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  • 9/29/2008 7:33 PM Shannon Sullivan wrote:
    The San Fransisco Chronicle did an article back in February talking about these trains and that FEMA also has secret camps located all over the United States.
    These FEMA camps and trains ARE NOT RUMOR PEOPLE-- READ FOR YOURSELF

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/04/ED5OUPQJ7.DTL

    WAKE UP AMERICA

    WE ARE ABOUT TO GET FUCKED
    And not in a good way

    And I Quote

    "Beginning in 1999, the government has entered into a series of single-bid contracts with Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg, Brown and Root (KBR) to build detention camps at undisclosed locations within the United States. The government has also contracted with several companies to build thousands of railcars, some reportedly equipped with shackles, ostensibly to transport detainees.
    According to diplomat and author Peter Dale Scott, the KBR contract is part of a Homeland Security plan titled ENDGAME, which sets as its goal the removal of "all removable aliens" and "potential terrorists."
    Fraud-busters such as Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Los Angeles, have complained about these contracts, saying that more taxpayer dollars should not go to taxpayer-gouging Halliburton. But the real question is: What kind of "new programs" require the construction and refurbishment of detention facilities in nearly every state of the union with the capacity to house perhaps millions of people?
    Sect. 1042 of the 2007 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), "Use of the Armed Forces in Major Public Emergencies," gives the executive the power to invoke martial law. For the first time in more than a century, the president is now authorized to use the military in response to "a natural disaster, a disease outbreak, a terrorist attack or any other condition in which the President determines that domestic violence has occurred to the extent that state officials cannot maintain public order."
    "The Military Commissions Act of 2006, rammed through Congress just before the 2006 midterm elections, allows for the indefinite imprisonment of anyone who donates money to a charity that turns up on a list of "terrorist" organizations, or who speaks out against the government's policies. The law calls for secret trials for citizens and noncitizens alike.
    Also in 2007, the White House quietly issued National Security Presidential Directive 51 (NSPD-51), to ensure "continuity of government" in the event of what the document vaguely calls a "catastrophic emergency." Should the president determine that such an emergency has occurred, he and he alone is empowered to do whatever he deems necessary to ensure "continuity of government." This could include everything from canceling elections to suspending the Constitution to launching a nuclear attack. Congress has yet to hold a single hearing on NSPD-51".
    U.S. Rep. Jane Harman, D-Venice (Los Angeles County) has come up with a new way to expand the domestic "war on terror." Her Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 (HR1955), Click link attop
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    1. 4/14/2010 11:27 PM Gordon Hayes wrote:
      I went to your super duper proof link and you forgot to mention that this article was written by outsiders, not SF Newspaper reporters.

      it appears on the editorial page. You know, the one people can write in to the paper and have ANYTHING published.

      We have enough real problems from the government. We don't need this kind of disinformation clouding the issues and making people look like fruitcakes.
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    2. 6/19/2011 6:06 PM Laz wrote:
      There is an article that is completely factual concerning the Kellogg, Brown, and Root contracts, which actually took place in 2006, not 1999. The contract was for over 385 million dollars and you can find this in many mainstream articles.

      I'm not arguing for or against these guillotines and boxcars. Anything is possible but why no pictures? The missionaries claimed to be taking nature pictures yet not a single person in the group snapped a shot of these guillotines? That makes no sense at all.

      All of the people who claim to have seen these things never bring back any evidence. That alone makes me highly suspicious. I'd mark this one down to paranoia and overactive imaginations. Sometimes people need to see evil everywhere they look.
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  • 9/30/2008 5:58 PM Ktesibios wrote:
    Are you aware that the photo at the top of this page is plagiarized from a railfan Web site here: http://www.trainweb.org/funnelfan/automax.htm
    And is simply a picture of some Auto-Max car carriers belonging to the Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railway? Or that 102,000 of them would require over 2,800 miles of track just to store them?

    Or that 102,000 "prisoner boxcars" would be just about equal to the total production of all types of freight cars in the USA from the beginning of 1995, when these rumors started circulating, through the 3rd quarter of 1996, as you can easily verify via the statistics at the Railway Supply Institute's Web site: http://rsiweb.org?

    This is not hard stuff to find. It took me a total of 15 minutes from the first time I saw that photo of the
    Auto-Maxes on a conspira-loon site to run down the original source.

    The trouble with CT devotees is that if a claim is consonant with their political preconceptions, they will either not bother checking it out or they won't know enough to do so effectively.
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    1. 9/30/2008 9:01 PM Mr. E - Pimpin' Turtle wrote:
      So you are saying that only 50 railcars would take up an entire mile of track? That is what you are deducing correct? 102,000/2800 miles equals roughly 50... that would mean that each railcar was 100 feet long? 5280 ft per mile... 5280/50 = 100+ feet...

      That doesn't make much sense man?

      Do a little math before you start posting that....
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      1. 10/3/2008 7:24 PM ktesibios wrote:
        Look at the specs given on Funnelfan's page:
        "Overall length of 2-unit car, over coupler pulling faces 145' 4". That's 145 1/3 feet.

        145 1/3 *102000=14,824,000 feet.
        14,824,000/5280=2807.57575.

        So yeah, the math works out. 102,000 Auto-Maxes would take up over 2800 miles of track.

        I mean, the fucking specs are right there on the page I linked. You can easily find the same information by mere investiGoogling once you know the product name.

        Don't you paranoid woo-woos ever do any research before you shoot your mouths off?
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      2. 1/20/2011 10:31 PM jadebullet wrote:
        Old boxcar=40ft
        Modern Boxcar=50ft
        autoparts boxcar=60ft
        Preautorack boxcar=60-80ft

        I forget how long normal autoracks are, but they are pretty long. Probably 60-80ft. As for the "Automax" it is a 2 unit articulated, so probably over 100ft.
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    2. 12/18/2009 12:03 PM Red Dawn wrote:
      You have GOT to be kidding!!! I checked out your little "trainweb.org" site, and tell me this... do automobiles need breathing holes neatly spaced all along the length of the cars in three rows?? What makes you think that the "government" didn't have Haliburton create a "phantom" website for the railroad companies to throw you doubting Thomases OFF the track??? And another thing... how did you get "statistics" off of the rsiweb.org site, when it is a MEMBERS ONLY site????? Now, I DO check before I post, so how bout you quit your B.S.??? You sound like one of those government guys that is here just to "poo poo" the "rumors". Well buster, you don't fool me, I have two eyes, and I have SEEN things, and you can't tell me what I've ACTUALLY SEEN IS A RUMOR!!!! Have a nice holiday before they cart your butt off!
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      1. 12/27/2009 10:02 AM railfanone wrote:
        No, you idiot, but the men who unload the cars ie drive them off the train, do !! LOL
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      2. 1/20/2011 10:34 PM jadebullet wrote:
        They aren't breathing holes, but they are for people, you have that part correct. The holes are to let light in so that the people working on the cars can see. (Railcars don't have power, so lights aren't really an option. I mean, they could install lights, but that would cost money, and the sun is free.)
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  • 10/4/2008 5:45 PM Mr. E wrote:
    Although the pictures above are of auto-maxs, the actual article talks about 40 ft traincars, not 145 ft.... therefore it doesn't make sense to me... because of the fact we are talking about two different traincars...
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    1. 12/29/2008 5:17 AM Trip wrote:
      The actual length of Auto-Max twin car "couplers" is 145'4". A 145' length for a single car would be unreasonable as this would limit the negotiable curve radius the cars could handle.
      http://www.gbrx.com/PDFtecbulletins/GenFreightAutoMax.pdf

      Here is a good video of Auto-Max
      http://www.gbrx.com/video/automax_mktg.mov
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  • 10/14/2008 9:55 PM Kevin wrote:
    The fucking bastards won't take me alive... and I ain't going down alone either when they do come... and they will... call me a paranoid conspiracy nut, call me what you will... I take the evidence as I've seen it... I've seen 2 of the camps and I've seen to much evidence of these trains and from the word of mouth of former CIA and Military officials who state that these things exist... The Freedoms of Canada and the United States are about to come to an end very shortly. the camps are ready, the trains are ready.... all they need to do is kill the economy (they're doing a great job of that) and bring about the right "crisis". A war or "terrorist" attack would be perfect for that, now wouldn't it?
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  • 12/20/2008 9:31 AM Lori wrote:
    Here is more info about them.
    http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/03/281821.shtml
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    1. 1/20/2011 10:37 PM jadebullet wrote:
      I like how the "prison truck" is just a flatbed carrying two walls with bared windows. They are leaned together on bracing. Hell, you can see that the sides are open. Stupid CT are stupid.
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  • 1/8/2009 12:47 AM Mark James wrote:
    Why is everyone so afraid of The New World Order? I'm confused. Why would it be so bad?
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    1. 1/11/2009 1:05 AM whitedeath wrote:
      Are you kidding? America was great because she was a free and sovereign nation. If that fails ...............
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    2. 1/24/2009 2:38 PM michael wrote:
      it's all in the bible. once the world is all united than the antichrist will arise. rapture's gonna happen and than the world will end with the coming of the lord
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      1. 2/3/2009 4:43 AM Perseus Traxx wrote:
        That wold suggest that christians have a vested interest in keeping the cultures of the world divided to prevent unity and therefore the coming of the devil....
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        1. 2/18/2009 12:41 PM Nopers wrote:
          Um..no...it would mean the Christians have a vested interest in *uniting* the world and *bringing* the anti-Christ because you can't get to the rapture and salvation without that event.
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      2. 5/23/2009 1:02 PM Bound by Destiny wrote:
        you are absolutely right, it's almost over. I sometimes wonder what the Lord is waiting for.
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    3. 2/3/2009 1:04 AM Deela wrote:
      Ok. Imagine all your freedoms gone. Imagine our Constitution and Bill of Rights vanish for all time. Only 500 Million people TOTAL are allowed to live meaning almost 6 BILLION people need to be exterminated, including our children, parents, friends, ourselves. The survivors will be the slaves of the elite. We will own nothing but do everything for them. We will toil in the fields, freeze in the winter, roast in the summer, but Hey, What's to be afraid of with the New World Order? Grow a brain man.
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      1. 2/3/2009 4:47 AM Perseus Traxx wrote:
        I can't see the New World Order killing off so many people when it is so much easier to keep them enslaved by their own ignorance and paranoia.
        Killing off your main base of productivity - thats simply illogical. You don't have many freedoms in America because you worry too much about who is out to get you - so your brains are shackled by themselves - no need for boxcars.
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      2. 2/6/2009 5:42 AM Chad aka Philosopher wrote:
        I have to admit yall are killing I havent laughed in a while but I have been laughing tonight, its funny how some can be so close minded and can not see the big picture. I have seen these rail cars before and yes I have seen cars inside them. But still that doesnt mean that these same rail cars could not be converted to a means of transporting people to death camps. I see alot of comments about people saying that all the conspiracy goo roo's should do there research more well I have done my own for the past 5 years, I drove a 18 wheeler nationwide and have been to prison camps food warehouses and rail yards. I have seen the UN vehicles stock pile in many denferent states and I have seen the FEMA vehicles. people say that well the US Goverment wouldnt allow something like a American Holocaust to happen. There is too many bills that have passed in Washington D.C. that would state otherwise. Operation Northwood Operation Garden Plot just to name a couple. But anyways it amazes me that some people can be negative toward what the Bible has told us and negative to Christians but what amazes me is how right the prophecies of the Bible has been. And look at the world today. I will state this do your research, read your Bible and have understand, even if your a none believer take the Bible and read it and then sit back and reflect on the events of the world from the past to the present and ask yourself then is the Bible correct. And for the none believers that believes that a NWO would be great and the Bible is a bunch of stories well lets just say this lets hope your right for your own sake. Me personnally I am going to put my faith on what the Bible has stated. I might make a posting later to explain more on why I believe what i believe. I will just leave with this come out of your bubble open your minds. And do your research. 9/11 WELL lets just say hmmmmm
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    4. 8/25/2011 5:22 AM James wrote:
      I hear they are having a sale on swastika armbands and jackboots
      at "Nazi-Mart". You should go
      check it out.
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    5. 8/25/2011 5:32 AM James wrote:
      I hear they are having a sale on
      swastika armbands and jackboots
      at "Nazi-Mart". You should go
      check it out.
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    6. 11/21/2012 1:37 AM ehl2828 wrote:
      New World Order would be bad because they only plan on 500,000,000 and there are 6.6 billion people on earth now. So what do you think will happen to the other 6.1 billion people they want to get rid of? Have you read about the millions and millions of rounds of hollow point bullets the government has purchased?
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  • 2/18/2009 1:55 AM nephets wrote:
    oh my god! you are all gonna to be beheaded in a train car. run! run! run! for the boarder.

    no wait, stay where you are so the whole lot of your double digit IQ brains will be chopped off.

    Nice way to clean this country.
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  • 2/19/2009 12:46 AM dave johnson wrote:
    You "people" are so insane it's scary. I believe the government is not on the side of the people, but stating this crap about fema camps and so called fema rail prison cars borders on total sci fi fantasy. You talk as if you are informed about the happenings of the world, yet your rambling are those of a paranoid incompetent moron.

    If you want to talk about government abuse, corruption, eliminating the constitutional rights of the people and personal freedom, then do it, don't spew this Bull about fema trains, fema coffins and fema prison camps. All that you are doing is pissing normal people off and getting them to the point that they will not believe what they know is true.

    We know the truth but also want to know the whole truth. We surf the net looking for the truth, but disseminating the truth from the rambling of cyber losers is difficult.

    If you can justify what you say with facts, then I will listen. If you just talk the talk and have no true knowledge of what you say, don't waste valuable time of people wanting the truth.

    Do not trash fema, homeland security or any other government agency without knowing what you are talking about. I want to know the truth, but I am tired of hearing the same old crap parroted as if it was legitimate researched information.

    There is no current standing fema prison camps, no fema prison cars on railroad sidings in the ready for american prisoners of a government declared martial law or fema coffins waiting for the execution of american patriots.

    This is America, we are Americans, United we stand. We will not capitulate to tyranny, threats to our freedom or false accusations by pseudo doomsayers.

    Believe in yourself, believe in America but don't believe everything you see on the internet.
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    1. 3/30/2009 4:04 PM Ambrose Bear wrote:
      The 1st Amendment to the United States Constitution is a public statement of the importance open and free communications holds for all people. It is, we say, THE means by which to care and share, but, also, to discuss, debate, inform, notify and alarm, if necessary, us of actual or potential danger for both personal and public welfare. It is the primary means by which we may discuss, outside of our campfires, what is happening to or around us among a wider population. No need for smoke signals, reflecting mirrors, signal drums or morse code anymore. We've got a free so-called Internet, of our own design. Newspapers are, literally, old news and are the end product of unsustainable and harmful forest practices and formaldahyde using, paper making processes that cause widespread cancer through contaminated water and air supplies. Yes, it is now the Internet that allows us to share, care, discuss and alarm through rapid and reliable online communications. Let it be used properly and for substantive purposes and for, yes, our seeking of the truth. Patience is necessary whenever it does not seem that this is happening, as in the case of those who appear to be less than factual when attempting to raise the alarm about improper government behavior or plans. I am impressed, if for no other reason than the writer is, at least, trying to inform all of us of dangers he perceives. But, you are correct in pointing out that, given the importance of the warning, he needs to have facts, evidence and corroborating information in order to prove his points and compel our support and, more importantly, political or direct action. Like you, I am not yet convinced, but I will have an open mind and will keep a watch on the issues raised. Like you, I believe in our system of government and want it to work properly. That is to say, I want it to work according to law as determined by, We, the people. The information presented can be construed many ways. I prefer to construe the facts accepted so far as being legitimate emergency preparedness by our people and leaders, and nothing more. There are many foreign nationals and would-be citizens in the United States who choose not to learn or speak English, and who prefer, in such an emergency, to see and relate with emergency personnel, even soldiers, from their own countries under the UN flag. That would make some sense to the information reported above. A small number of such foreign soldiers poses no threat to our 4 million person armed forces, and our 20 millions of American veterans if push came to shove. No. I prefer to be encouraged that, at least, some preparedness has occurred in some form as a response, as it says, to national emergencies outlined in the Executive Orders and our laws. I am especially encouraged that secure locations and transportation systems are being or have been developed to help people survive such emergencies. Although hard to tolerate, some secrecy is in our national interests until then?
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  • 8/27/2009 3:21 PM Jim Benson wrote:
    Automobile manufacturers started using these and boxcars similar, back in the late 1970's - early 1980's. Other than the fact they are covered, they aren't much different in design and function than the earlier, open railway cars. Quite often, new vehicles that were transported via the old, open design boxcars, whilst parked in some railway siding would be subjected to vandalism and theft. Kids would throw rocks at the new vehicles at railway crossings, etc, whilst spare tires and radios would disappear after windows were smashed out and trunks forced open, whenever the train had to be left parked in a siding.
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  • 11/10/2009 2:10 PM Eddie Neely wrote:
    The scariest thing about ALL these FEMA rumors is that the people who propogate them are out walking the streets among us! I feel like I'm waiting for the conspiracy freaks to go postal any minute! Sheesh, like we didn't have enough to worry about already with Obama and his thugs selling the country out from under us!
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  • 12/17/2009 6:38 PM Mike wrote:
    This unbelievable tread contains a bunch of common sense replies, and so much bullshit it is appalling. Among other problems (besides senators ordering cars in China) is where the people to go in these cars are going to come from - they are so big that hundreds of people would fit in each car and what group of almost a million people needs to be "picked up"
    What kind of treason is being spread by making claims like this - Remember, this is under the Bush administration, which so fucked up FEMA in the name of National Security that it couldn't handle Katrina.
    And thank God we have Obama instead of those morons from 30 years of conservative beating our country to imbecility.
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  • 2/9/2010 11:40 PM KM wrote:
    Photographed in Houston, TX recently

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoPrVYlEj_k
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  • 6/20/2010 11:12 PM Rana wrote:
    If you bothered to really research what the claims were, you would have come across reality, multiple times over:

    http://www.gbrx.com/gunderson/chapter17-19.pdf Take a peek at your trains, and what they're used for. That's right...straight from the horse's mouth, the company that actually makes them.

    The I spoke to someone who knew someone who said this, and so on, is not valid proof of anything. But, when you come across proof, that's a different thing.

    Of course, the article is also riddled with inaccuracies and a whole slew full of opinions from the "writers". The question is, why did the Chronicle post it? I contacted them to find out. I am currently awaiting a response. However, I tend to think this is not the actual article. You see, it was placed in a forum area, which might mean that the partie who wrote this so-called article, was in response to the actual article created. Whatever the case, just about everything written in it, is inaccurate, at least, based on my investigation into this...and believe me, I have investigated it from every angle possible. I'm debunking it left and right, daily! A perfect example is the cuffs and the guillotines (which are nothing more than "PAPER CUTTERS", called 'paper guillotines' Sorry folks, this is just another aspect of how this story is so blown out of shape, it's pathetic. Notice no names are mentioned and when you do find out the names, the reality is, it's not reality!
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  • 6/21/2010 6:08 PM Rana wrote:
    Well, I contacted the editor who said this about the story printed. Apparently, you folks are being fed a load of goods. Read it and weep!

    "Kershner, Vlae" View Contact
    To: Rana Adamchick ; support-staff@sfgate.com


    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Thanks for writing. The story did appear in the paper and on the site.
    However, it is an 'opinion piece' by 'advocates' of a certain point of view,so we don't necessarily have a view on whether the facts presented are
    correct except to the extent that if something 'had been shown to us' to
    be demonstrably incorrect we would have corrected it.

    - Vlae Kershner, news director, SFGate

    So, I sent them evidence of demonstrably incorrect. Let's see if they print all the evidence I sent them.

    For instance,

    The entire story is false! I've been doing a tremendous amount of research on the so-called 'facts' and none of it is panning out the way the writers are stating it.

    For instance, the shackles are not made to hold detainees, they're made to hold the axels on newly transported vehicles. You can clearly see this on the KBR site. The site shows what they're used for, in their 'About' area.

    And, this statement: According to "diplomat", the guy is not a diplomat. He's a former English professor at U of Ca, and he's a Canadian poet. He's the son of noted Canadian poet and constitutional lawyer F. R. Scott and painter Marian Dale Scott. He's known for his anti-war stance and his criticism of U.S. foreign policy dating back to the Vietnam War. He spent four years (1957-1961) with the "Canadian diplomatic service." And, he retired from UC Berkeley faculty in 1994. Go look it up yourself.

    The guy couldn't know anything about this situation, since he wasn't even a part of the service during the time- frame the writer references. It was tossed in to make the situation seem more legit, nothing more.

    According to the writer, "But the real question is: What kind of "new programs" require the construction and refurbishment of "detention facilities" in nearly every state of the union with the capacity to house perhaps millions of people?

    Here he states that the government has the capacity to 'perhaps' house millions of people -- another falsehood! They have a maximum ability to house people, the same as any base (which is what these places are). However, the units can only take in a few thousand, if that much. And, they're not even made for the general public. They're made primarily for the military and police depts to join forces and efforts and to keep communications open between each service, in the quickest manner possible.

    Our sheriff in Winter Haven just moved to one of these places, a few days ago. It's set up to withstand 145 mph winds, in case of a hurricane, and many of the other agencies are moving to the same location, etc.
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  • 6/21/2010 6:14 PM Rana wrote:
    Cont'd: so that they can prevent information from being devulged to the wrong parties (such as terrorists,) and so that they can speed up transmission of information to each agency.

    Nothing more, nothing less and nothing sinister going on!

    Some of these institutions are also being placed in areas that have a high incidence of damage, due to natural disasters, such as hurricanes.

    There are only six in the whole country that are being worked on, presently, not 6 units at each place.

    In other words, they are not being set up "in nearly every state of the union."

    And, the units can provide quick access to services, such as: food, clothing, and bedding for the general public. These units weren't set up to hurt people, but to help them in a time of need.

    But, how many people will go to these places, if they read the trash the writer(s) wrote.

    Words and videos are being twisted, pictures manipulated, and lots more. What the writers are stating isn't even close to the truth!

    The worst part about it is a lot of people are falling for it, and the problem is getting bigger by the day. There are thousands of people that are terrified, due to this story. They're listening to the silliness the 'militia', so to speak, is claiming, but what the militia is stating isn't based on factual evidence.

    Someone needs to check into this story a lot better, before they allow something like this to go to press.
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  • 10/8/2010 6:49 AM Laz wrote:
    Rana,

    I agree with you up to a point. A lot of things said about FEMA are inaccurate and we should never consider "word of mouth" information as fact. However, there does indeed exist a KBR contract to build such camps in the United States:

    Halliburton’s subsidiary KBR (formerly Kellogg, Brown and Root) announced on January 24, 2006 that it had been awarded a $385 million contingency contract by the Department of Homeland Security to build detention camps in the United States.

    The article goes on to state: According to a press release posted on the Halliburton website, “The contract, which is effective immediately, provides for establishing temporary detention and processing capabilities to augment existing Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Detention and Removal Operations (DRO) Program facilities in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs. The contingency support contract provides for planning and, if required, initiation of specific engineering, construction and logistics support tasks to establish, operate and maintain one or more expansion facilities.”

    Sources:
    New America Media, January 31, 2006
    Title: “Homeland Security Contracts for Vast New Detention Camps”
    Author: Peter Dale Scott

    New America Media, February 21, 2006
    Title: “10-Year US Strategic Plan for Detention Camps Revives Proposals from Oliver North”
    Author: Peter Dale Scott

    Consortiium, February 21, 2006
    Title: “Bush’s Mysterious ‘New Programs’”
    Author: Nat Parry

    Buzzflash
    Title: “Detention Camp Jitters”
    Author: Maureen Farrell

    Community Evaluator: Dr. Gary Evans
    Student Researchers: Sean Hurley and Caitlyn Peele

    Here's the web address to the article:

    http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/14-homeland-security-contracts-kbr-to-build-detention-centers-in-the-us/

    Have you researched any of these U.S. governmental operations:

    Operation Garden Plot
    Operation Cable Splicer
    REX 84

    There are others also, read the article.

    Whether or not people label military bases or Federal prison facilities as "FEMA Camps" is irrelevant. The fact is any of these places can could be used to detain American citizens during a natural or civil disaster. The President could order a mission change and the facilities could be set up to take prisoners. If you take into account all of the military bases and other similar facilities around the country, they could easily be converted into make-shift concentration camps.

    A fairly large field could thousands of people. There is a special military truck that can lay down a six-foot high barrier of razor wire in less then an hour, easily covering four acres.

    The point is that such a thing can happen and the legislation that has been passed in recent years allows for such a thing, all of the way down to civilian work brigades(by executive order from the president) under the watchful eye of the U.S. Army.
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  • 1/20/2011 10:10 PM jadebullet wrote:
    Yeah, those are Automax autoracks pictured above.

    As for these prison cars, they are autoracks. The "shackles" are to tie down cars. There is no guillotine, though I do know that some older cars used sliding weights to assist in opening or closing the doors. That might be what they saw. As for the black color, that probably means that it is a Canadian National car.
    http://www.dallasmodelworks.com/products/walthers/932/932-40125.jpg

    Now, as for why they were in the woods. It is called storage. The fall of Detroit caused almost every single railroad to throw locomotives, as well as autoracks into storage. If there is an unused siding, it probably has cars on it. Hell, the Reading and Northern up my way has about 15 miles of track filled with covered hoppers. (of course, they could be FEMA ash cars, used to hault the ashes of the cremated corpses away.)
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  • 4/3/2011 6:48 PM BubbaDAardvark wrote:
    This article is full of crap.

    my favorite piece of crap

    "They described boxcars, in this case painted black, with shackles welded into them and a modern guillotine at the head of each boxcar inside. As they were photographing mountain scenery, they decided to follow railroad tracks into the wilderness so as to not get lost."

    So people were out photographing the scenery, stumble across something apparently out of the ordinary, walked away with out incident, and neglect TO TAKE PHOTOS???!!!!

    I call BS. Come now people, get a clue
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  • 4/3/2011 10:57 PM Rana wrote:
    You stated: "The fact is any of these places can "COULD" be used to detain American citizens during a natural or civil disaster.

    Yes, and so could zoos, schools, section 8 housing areas, and any other large facility. Of course, that doesn't mean that's what they're using these things for. It just means, if they chose to do so, they COULD. Then again, tomorrow, aliens COULD show up and visit your home, and whisk you away to their planet, too. Naturally, you're more than welcome to believe it will occur, but that doesn't mean it will.

    You also stated:
    'The President "could" order a mission change and the facilities could be set up to take prisoners.'


    Yes, but he could also order FEMA to do what they've been doing for years and years...help people in times of need.

    You also stated:
    "If you take into account all of the military bases and other similar facilities around the country, they could easily be converted into make-shift concentration camps."

    Have you ever been to a base? If you have, then you would know that if you knocked on the walls, they would fall down, hehe. Most military members say you can hear your neighbors through the walls. Still think they want to keep prisoners there?
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  • 6/19/2011 5:50 PM Laz wrote:
    The problem I've noticed is the lack of any concrete proof. A single photo isn't enough to make a case. I've yet to see a photo showing thousands of these rail cars in a single location. It doesn't matter that these rail cars aren't located near any car manufacturing plants. There are many reasons that could be used to justify such a thing. Again, where is the actual proof?

    I'm not against you I'm just saying you should use more care when making your case. William Cooper and many others thought FEMA was going to come for Americans in the early nineties, it didn't happen did it? These things take longer to happen then most people realize. We've seen a huge speed-up in the timeline but again, nothing to justify rail road cars or guillotines are being stockpiled to be used against Americans. Using some obscure Georgia law to back up rumors isn't enough to make a concrete case.

    There is already way too much disinformation floating around in cyberspace, why add to it?
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  • 6/24/2011 1:26 PM Orlando vacation hotel wrote:
    Thanks for sharing! These boxcars are fantastic! I'm loving them while I visit walt disney world in Orlando, FL. Lake Buena Vista is so nice in the summer!
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  • 9/13/2011 1:37 PM LINDA wrote:
    they are located on the tracks right now in greenfield MA...could someone tell me are they there to stay or are they on the way some where? this is creepy...
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  • 12/18/2011 10:10 AM Rob wrote:
    Recently, These rail cars are reported to be moving throughout the Chicago Area on the South Side. I am hoping to get a closer look. Will verify.
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    Imagination is more important than knowledge.
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