FEMA ORDERED 102,000 Boxcars With Shackles!
ANONYMOUS COWARD
2/1/2008
THE FACTS-GUNDERSON PRISONER BOXCARS WITH SHACKLES-A REPORT
Here is a summary of the previous information circulating about Gunderson’s PRISONER BOXCARS WITH SHACKLES from previous reports circulating all over the nation on this subject, which I have written. BRENT GUNDERSON is challenging my information. CAN YOU PROVE HIM WRONG??? Many people have raised skeptical questions about reports of prisoner BOXCARS AND SHACKLES being sighted across America. Some people think that they are only reported originally through Phil Schnieder in a Patriot interview. Recently, someone erroneously reported that MY information on them originated from Phil Schnieder.
WRONG! My research and documentation on the boxcars and shackles goes far beyond Phil´s interview. Long before I heard of him, I had eyewitness information on these boxcars. A van full of eyewitnesses, missionaries traveling across America to evangelize and pray, stumbled across these boxcars in Montana, near Columbia Falls in Glacier. They described boxcars, in this case painted black, with shackles welded into them and a modern guillotine at the head of each boxcar inside. As they were photographing mountain scenery, they decided to follow railroad tracks into the wilderness so as to not get lost. This is how they came upon these boxcars with shackles. I later received a report from Lee Harrington of Valier, MT, who was a professional metal worker. He told me how in Glascow, MT, summer youth workers were employed to weld shackles into boxcars in that operation. They were then shipped west to Glacier and stored on remote sidetracks. Passing through the Blackfoot Indian Reservation in Cutbank, a local Blackfoot Indian, George Bullcalf, spotted these strange boxcars. When I interviewed local Patriots in Columbia Falls, they confirmed that hunters often stumbled upon such boxcars on remote train spurs in that wilderness region.
I THEN TRAVELED TO PORTLAND OREGON, and lectured in the home of an actual employee of GUNDERSON STEEL FABRICATION. The wife of this high level executive called this meeting personally to make a public admission. In the meeting were OTHER GUNDERSON EMPLOYEES who had witnessed the prisoner boxcars in the higher than normal, three floor/three tier prisoner boxcars.
She admitted that her husband finally told her that GUNDERSON WAS UNDER SECRET CONTRACT FROM THE US GOVERNMENT TO PRODUCE THESE PRISONER BOXCARS. She also admitted that Gunderson had a satellite factory for a boxcars with shackles operation in Texas.
I called Col. Jim Ammerman in Texas, famous military Patriot-lecturer against martial law, and told him about this. He replied, “A friend of mine who is a metal welder called me recently, and said he had gone to apply for a job in offered in Texas for welding. When he was told that it involved WELDING SHACKLES INTO BOXCARS, he declined the job!”
I later interviewed Russian immigrants in this area who admitted that some of their people were working at Gunderson, and one young man, Sasha, admitted working on prisoner boxcars and described them completely to his Russian Christian friends there. THE RUSSIAN COMMMUNITY NOW KNOWS ABOUT THEM AND IS VERY AFRAID OF THE IMPLICATIONS!!! Many Russians still work there.
Another source, WATCHDOG, a retired military vet with a watchdog group, described yet another boxcar with shackles operation in New Hampshire, with three tiered boxcars fitted with shackles.
Metal worker Lee Harrington also described 20,000 CHINESE prisoner boxcars with shackles and modern guillotines, in the form of 40 foot railroad containers, coming into America via the west coast. They were ordered by the American government through a Senator who visited China and ordered these items. Workers unloading them became suspicious and began to investigate and discovered these horrors from China. Such 40 foot cargo containers from China are now piled up along the West Coast, especially around Long Beach Naval Shipyard, turned over the Chinese. I receive constant reports across America regarding these types of prisoner boxcars from former radio listeners and Patriots across America…and Canada. Recently, a former high level satanist from the mountains of North Carolina, now a Christian and receiving discipleship, admitted that boxcars with shackles were indeed in the mountains of NC and waiting for the hour of martial law. (Asheville, NC) He warned that many Patriots and Christians arrested and secured into these prisoner boxcars under martial law will never even make it to the death camps..that many will be tortured and sacrificed once restrained in these prisoner boxcars.
Posted by PIMPIN TURTLE at 2/1/2008 1:06 PM 
Categories: NEW WORLD ORDER,FEMA,Weird,Things you may not have heard of,Other Stuff
Categories: NEW WORLD ORDER,FEMA,Weird,Things you may not have heard of,Other Stuff
A few months ago I asked trainorders.com a train buff site what these cars actually are. I was told that they are specially built for transporting high clearance vehicles. Anything other than that is just over imaginitive speculation. As for guillotines, what a mess that would make hey? Be better to gas or shoot you don't ya think?
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Gas and bullets cost money don't they?
Nothing is cheaper then kinetic energy...
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What are they You Ask?
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/04/ED5OUPQJ7.DTL
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Of course there are easier methods to kill people but not if you want to harvest the body parts intact, and fresh when you need to sell them to the highest bidder.
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While stopped at a red light in Fort Payne, AL this past weekend, I watched a train with about 8 or 10 of these same white three-tiered boxcars pass by at about 30 mph. The "windows" on each car consisted of a cross-hatched lattice painted white. There were three rows of windows on each car. The train was heading southeast from Chattanooga, TN to Birmingham, AL. It did not (fortunately) stop in Fort Payne.
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Crazy.... so they do exist..
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I have a question regarding these "shackles". Unless these shackles are bolted to the outside where prisoners will be dangling like squirrel tails, they will be inside. Now, unless the the cars are unlocked, open, and unguarded,who's gonna see anything inside? Enquiring minds, you know. I'm not going to bad-mouth anyone here. As an example of incorrect information on the internet, the famous photos of FEMA camps in Nashville, Tn.,on Briley Parkway, are not FEMA camps or empty, or even on Briley Parkway. There are three facilities. New Visions Youth Development Center for criminal adolescent females, Woodland Hills Youth Development Center for Criminal male adolescents and a few girls, and the Tennessee Prison for Women. The street name is Stewarts Lane. They can be looked up on the internet and have plenty of info to verify their reality. Take care.
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Those lying bastards at the San Fransisco Chronicle!!
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/04/ED5OUPQJ7.DTL
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i used to work for toyota motor manufacturing of north america. these are not prisoner cars. they are train cars used for transporting new vehicles from the factories to where ever they are going. the so called shackles are not shackles at all. they are chains with "eye rings" on them used to secure the vehicles. besides if the government is doing what you are accusing them of they wouldn't be stupid enough to leave them out where anyone can see them. they have kept ufo's under cover for years, you think they can't keep a few train cars secret. let's get real.
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102,000 is a few?
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Kenny...
Think it through idiot. What on god green earth is FEMA doing with car cariers? Do car carriers need windows to let cars breathe. No dum bass. Our antiquated rail system couldn't hold
the weight of one railcar loaded with cars.
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though it is debatable why prisoners in shackles would need windows, or an upper level compartment that is significantly taller in height than the two below
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snip>Metal worker Lee Harrington also described 20,000 CHINESE prisoner boxcars with shackles and modern guillotines, in the form of 40 foot railroad containers, coming into America via the west coast. They were ordered by the American government through a Senator who visited China and ordered these items.
Your guess as to which senator this might be.
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The San Fransisco Chronicle did an article back in February talking about these trains and that FEMA also has secret camps located all over the United States.
These FEMA camps and trains ARE NOT RUMOR PEOPLE-- READ FOR YOURSELF
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/04/ED5OUPQJ7.DTL
WAKE UP AMERICA
WE ARE ABOUT TO GET FUCKED
And not in a good way
And I Quote
"Beginning in 1999, the government has entered into a series of single-bid contracts with Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg, Brown and Root (KBR) to build detention camps at undisclosed locations within the United States. The government has also contracted with several companies to build thousands of railcars, some reportedly equipped with shackles, ostensibly to transport detainees.
According to diplomat and author Peter Dale Scott, the KBR contract is part of a Homeland Security plan titled ENDGAME, which sets as its goal the removal of "all removable aliens" and "potential terrorists."
Fraud-busters such as Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Los Angeles, have complained about these contracts, saying that more taxpayer dollars should not go to taxpayer-gouging Halliburton. But the real question is: What kind of "new programs" require the construction and refurbishment of detention facilities in nearly every state of the union with the capacity to house perhaps millions of people?
Sect. 1042 of the 2007 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), "Use of the Armed Forces in Major Public Emergencies," gives the executive the power to invoke martial law. For the first time in more than a century, the president is now authorized to use the military in response to "a natural disaster, a disease outbreak, a terrorist attack or any other condition in which the President determines that domestic violence has occurred to the extent that state officials cannot maintain public order."
"The Military Commissions Act of 2006, rammed through Congress just before the 2006 midterm elections, allows for the indefinite imprisonment of anyone who donates money to a charity that turns up on a list of "terrorist" organizations, or who speaks out against the government's policies. The law calls for secret trials for citizens and noncitizens alike.
Also in 2007, the White House quietly issued National Security Presidential Directive 51 (NSPD-51), to ensure "continuity of government" in the event of what the document vaguely calls a "catastrophic emergency." Should the president determine that such an emergency has occurred, he and he alone is empowered to do whatever he deems necessary to ensure "continuity of government." This could include everything from canceling elections to suspending the Constitution to launching a nuclear attack. Congress has yet to hold a single hearing on NSPD-51".
U.S. Rep. Jane Harman, D-Venice (Los Angeles County) has come up with a new way to expand the domestic "war on terror." Her Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 (HR1955), Click link attop
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Are you aware that the photo at the top of this page is plagiarized from a railfan Web site here: http://www.trainweb.org/funnelfan/automax.htm
And is simply a picture of some Auto-Max car carriers belonging to the Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railway? Or that 102,000 of them would require over 2,800 miles of track just to store them?
Or that 102,000 "prisoner boxcars" would be just about equal to the total production of all types of freight cars in the USA from the beginning of 1995, when these rumors started circulating, through the 3rd quarter of 1996, as you can easily verify via the statistics at the Railway Supply Institute's Web site: http://rsiweb.org?
This is not hard stuff to find. It took me a total of 15 minutes from the first time I saw that photo of the
Auto-Maxes on a conspira-loon site to run down the original source.
The trouble with CT devotees is that if a claim is consonant with their political preconceptions, they will either not bother checking it out or they won't know enough to do so effectively.
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So you are saying that only 50 railcars would take up an entire mile of track? That is what you are deducing correct? 102,000/2800 miles equals roughly 50... that would mean that each railcar was 100 feet long? 5280 ft per mile... 5280/50 = 100+ feet...
That doesn't make much sense man?
Do a little math before you start posting that....
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Look at the specs given on Funnelfan's page:
"Overall length of 2-unit car, over coupler pulling faces 145' 4". That's 145 1/3 feet.
145 1/3 *102000=14,824,000 feet.
14,824,000/5280=2807.57575.
So yeah, the math works out. 102,000 Auto-Maxes would take up over 2800 miles of track.
I mean, the fucking specs are right there on the page I linked. You can easily find the same information by mere investiGoogling once you know the product name.
Don't you paranoid woo-woos ever do any research before you shoot your mouths off?
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You have GOT to be kidding!!! I checked out your little "trainweb.org" site, and tell me this... do automobiles need breathing holes neatly spaced all along the length of the cars in three rows?? What makes you think that the "government" didn't have Haliburton create a "phantom" website for the railroad companies to throw you doubting Thomases OFF the track??? And another thing... how did you get "statistics" off of the rsiweb.org site, when it is a MEMBERS ONLY site????? Now, I DO check before I post, so how bout you quit your B.S.??? You sound like one of those government guys that is here just to "poo poo" the "rumors". Well buster, you don't fool me, I have two eyes, and I have SEEN things, and you can't tell me what I've ACTUALLY SEEN IS A RUMOR!!!! Have a nice holiday before they cart your butt off!
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No, you idiot, but the men who unload the cars ie drive them off the train, do !! LOL
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Although the pictures above are of auto-maxs, the actual article talks about 40 ft traincars, not 145 ft.... therefore it doesn't make sense to me... because of the fact we are talking about two different traincars...
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The actual length of Auto-Max twin car "couplers" is 145'4". A 145' length for a single car would be unreasonable as this would limit the negotiable curve radius the cars could handle.
http://www.gbrx.com/PDFtecbulletins/GenFreightAutoMax.pdf
Here is a good video of Auto-Max
http://www.gbrx.com/video/automax_mktg.mov
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The fucking bastards won't take me alive... and I ain't going down alone either when they do come... and they will... call me a paranoid conspiracy nut, call me what you will... I take the evidence as I've seen it... I've seen 2 of the camps and I've seen to much evidence of these trains and from the word of mouth of former CIA and Military officials who state that these things exist... The Freedoms of Canada and the United States are about to come to an end very shortly. the camps are ready, the trains are ready.... all they need to do is kill the economy (they're doing a great job of that) and bring about the right "crisis". A war or "terrorist" attack would be perfect for that, now wouldn't it?
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Here is more info about them.
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/03/281821.shtml
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Why is everyone so afraid of The New World Order? I'm confused. Why would it be so bad?
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Are you kidding? America was great because she was a free and sovereign nation. If that fails ...............
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it's all in the bible. once the world is all united than the antichrist will arise. rapture's gonna happen and than the world will end with the coming of the lord
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That wold suggest that christians have a vested interest in keeping the cultures of the world divided to prevent unity and therefore the coming of the devil....
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Um..no...it would mean the Christians have a vested interest in *uniting* the world and *bringing* the anti-Christ because you can't get to the rapture and salvation without that event.
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you are absolutely right, it's almost over. I sometimes wonder what the Lord is waiting for.
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Ok. Imagine all your freedoms gone. Imagine our Constitution and Bill of Rights vanish for all time. Only 500 Million people TOTAL are allowed to live meaning almost 6 BILLION people need to be exterminated, including our children, parents, friends, ourselves. The survivors will be the slaves of the elite. We will own nothing but do everything for them. We will toil in the fields, freeze in the winter, roast in the summer, but Hey, What's to be afraid of with the New World Order? Grow a brain man.
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I can't see the New World Order killing off so many people when it is so much easier to keep them enslaved by their own ignorance and paranoia.
Killing off your main base of productivity - thats simply illogical. You don't have many freedoms in America because you worry too much about who is out to get you - so your brains are shackled by themselves - no need for boxcars.
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I have to admit yall are killing I havent laughed in a while but I have been laughing tonight, its funny how some can be so close minded and can not see the big picture. I have seen these rail cars before and yes I have seen cars inside them. But still that doesnt mean that these same rail cars could not be converted to a means of transporting people to death camps. I see alot of comments about people saying that all the conspiracy goo roo's should do there research more well I have done my own for the past 5 years, I drove a 18 wheeler nationwide and have been to prison camps food warehouses and rail yards. I have seen the UN vehicles stock pile in many denferent states and I have seen the FEMA vehicles. people say that well the US Goverment wouldnt allow something like a American Holocaust to happen. There is too many bills that have passed in Washington D.C. that would state otherwise. Operation Northwood Operation Garden Plot just to name a couple. But anyways it amazes me that some people can be negative toward what the Bible has told us and negative to Christians but what amazes me is how right the prophecies of the Bible has been. And look at the world today. I will state this do your research, read your Bible and have understand, even if your a none believer take the Bible and read it and then sit back and reflect on the events of the world from the past to the present and ask yourself then is the Bible correct. And for the none believers that believes that a NWO would be great and the Bible is a bunch of stories well lets just say this lets hope your right for your own sake. Me personnally I am going to put my faith on what the Bible has stated. I might make a posting later to explain more on why I believe what i believe. I will just leave with this come out of your bubble open your minds. And do your research. 9/11 WELL lets just say hmmmmm
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oh my god! you are all gonna to be beheaded in a train car. run! run! run! for the boarder.
no wait, stay where you are so the whole lot of your double digit IQ brains will be chopped off.
Nice way to clean this country.
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You "people" are so insane it's scary. I believe the government is not on the side of the people, but stating this crap about fema camps and so called fema rail prison cars borders on total sci fi fantasy. You talk as if you are informed about the happenings of the world, yet your rambling are those of a paranoid incompetent moron.
If you want to talk about government abuse, corruption, eliminating the constitutional rights of the people and personal freedom, then do it, don't spew this Bull about fema trains, fema coffins and fema prison camps. All that you are doing is pissing normal people off and getting them to the point that they will not believe what they know is true.
We know the truth but also want to know the whole truth. We surf the net looking for the truth, but disseminating the truth from the rambling of cyber losers is difficult.
If you can justify what you say with facts, then I will listen. If you just talk the talk and have no true knowledge of what you say, don't waste valuable time of people wanting the truth.
Do not trash fema, homeland security or any other government agency without knowing what you are talking about. I want to know the truth, but I am tired of hearing the same old crap parroted as if it was legitimate researched information.
There is no current standing fema prison camps, no fema prison cars on railroad sidings in the ready for american prisoners of a government declared martial law or fema coffins waiting for the execution of american patriots.
This is America, we are Americans, United we stand. We will not capitulate to tyranny, threats to our freedom or false accusations by pseudo doomsayers.
Believe in yourself, believe in America but don't believe everything you see on the internet.
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The 1st Amendment to the United States Constitution is a public statement of the importance open and free communications holds for all people. It is, we say, THE means by which to care and share, but, also, to discuss, debate, inform, notify and alarm, if necessary, us of actual or potential danger for both personal and public welfare. It is the primary means by which we may discuss, outside of our campfires, what is happening to or around us among a wider population. No need for smoke signals, reflecting mirrors, signal drums or morse code anymore. We've got a free so-called Internet, of our own design. Newspapers are, literally, old news and are the end product of unsustainable and harmful forest practices and formaldahyde using, paper making processes that cause widespread cancer through contaminated water and air supplies. Yes, it is now the Internet that allows us to share, care, discuss and alarm through rapid and reliable online communications. Let it be used properly and for substantive purposes and for, yes, our seeking of the truth. Patience is necessary whenever it does not seem that this is happening, as in the case of those who appear to be less than factual when attempting to raise the alarm about improper government behavior or plans. I am impressed, if for no other reason than the writer is, at least, trying to inform all of us of dangers he perceives. But, you are correct in pointing out that, given the importance of the warning, he needs to have facts, evidence and corroborating information in order to prove his points and compel our support and, more importantly, political or direct action. Like you, I am not yet convinced, but I will have an open mind and will keep a watch on the issues raised. Like you, I believe in our system of government and want it to work properly. That is to say, I want it to work according to law as determined by, We, the people. The information presented can be construed many ways. I prefer to construe the facts accepted so far as being legitimate emergency preparedness by our people and leaders, and nothing more. There are many foreign nationals and would-be citizens in the United States who choose not to learn or speak English, and who prefer, in such an emergency, to see and relate with emergency personnel, even soldiers, from their own countries under the UN flag. That would make some sense to the information reported above. A small number of such foreign soldiers poses no threat to our 4 million person armed forces, and our 20 millions of American veterans if push came to shove. No. I prefer to be encouraged that, at least, some preparedness has occurred in some form as a response, as it says, to national emergencies outlined in the Executive Orders and our laws. I am especially encouraged that secure locations and transportation systems are being or have been developed to help people survive such emergencies. Although hard to tolerate, some secrecy is in our national interests until then?
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Automobile manufacturers started using these and boxcars similar, back in the late 1970's - early 1980's. Other than the fact they are covered, they aren't much different in design and function than the earlier, open railway cars. Quite often, new vehicles that were transported via the old, open design boxcars, whilst parked in some railway siding would be subjected to vandalism and theft. Kids would throw rocks at the new vehicles at railway crossings, etc, whilst spare tires and radios would disappear after windows were smashed out and trunks forced open, whenever the train had to be left parked in a siding.
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The scariest thing about ALL these FEMA rumors is that the people who propogate them are out walking the streets among us! I feel like I'm waiting for the conspiracy freaks to go postal any minute! Sheesh, like we didn't have enough to worry about already with Obama and his thugs selling the country out from under us!
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This unbelievable tread contains a bunch of common sense replies, and so much bullshit it is appalling. Among other problems (besides senators ordering cars in China) is where the people to go in these cars are going to come from - they are so big that hundreds of people would fit in each car and what group of almost a million people needs to be "picked up"
What kind of treason is being spread by making claims like this - Remember, this is under the Bush administration, which so fucked up FEMA in the name of National Security that it couldn't handle Katrina.
And thank God we have Obama instead of those morons from 30 years of conservative beating our country to imbecility.
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