AUDIO: Iran considers harsh penalty for some bloggers
Posted by PIMPIN TURTLE at 7/7/2008 7:33 AM and is filed under Technology,Media Monopoly,Politics,Iran 
Iran considers harsh penalty for some bloggers (3:30)
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Correspondent Cyrus Farivar reports that Iran's parliament is considering a bill that could make some blogging punishable by death.
what do you think the u.s. and the world should do about iran?
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Let them be free... not sanction them like we did with Iraq from 91 til 03 (didn't work)... not invade them for their oil like we did Iraq... they have not had a nuclear weapons program since 2003 AT LEAST... THAT IS A FACT...
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ok, first of all, iran isn't a free country. the above report is just one of many examples showing that. serious sanctions, sanctions that would totally isolate them is the most peacefull way of preventing a war. the sanctions did work in iraq. what do you think kept them from building there military back up again. i would venture to say that that's why they didn't have wmd's anymore. maybe it was that they couldnt get them. we didn't invade iraq for oil. we invaded iraq to take out saddam. does iran have a nuclear weapons program? lets look at the evidence. its a known fact that isreal bombed iran destroying their nuclear capabilities in the 80's. iran has been working on building it back up ever since. these are things we know for a fact. for some reason not long ago somebody came out and said that they stopped their program as you said, in 03. than right after that they have been saying they do have an active nuclear weapons program. irans leadership have been saying that isreal has no right to exist. they have said they will blow them off the face of the earth. they are an exporter of terror. they murder and torture their own innocent citizens. all evidence shows iran is an extremely hostile country who not only would love to bomb the western world with nukes, they are working on doing just that. and you want to leave them be. ok say we leave them be and they do drop a bomb somewhere in the western world. what would you want to do about it then.
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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16846056
They HAVE not had a nuclear program since 2003. Therefore, they cannot bomb us or any other country...
IF THEY SEND AN IRANIAN BOMBER ALL THE WAY OVER TO A WESTERN NATION (WHICH COULD NEVER HAPPEN) AND DROP A BOMB ON A WESTERN COUNTRY, THEN someone would have the right to invade Iran...
Since they haven't, then there is absolutely ZERO reason to INVADE IRAN before that time...
THEY HAVE NO NAVY BRO, NO SUPER SONIC MISSILES THAT CAN ATTACK THE UNITED STATES... therefore the US should not be contemplating attacking Iran...
Do you even know the history of Iraq since the 1970s? Do you know that we put Saddam into power? We should not be, nor should we ever have been, meddling our power in the middle east. If we would have not put Saddam into power in the first place, there would be no reason to take him out of power? Do you understand? It is not that hard bro...
ADDITIONALLY, Saddam Hussein was one of the most non-religious leaders throughout the Middle East... for those that believe that over-zealous Islam leaders are a threat, why would we take him out? The new govt' of Iraq is much much more likely to become a religious fundementalist dictatorship that Iraq ever was. Can you answer me that?
Iran is a free country. They hold democratic elections just like the US does. Ahminajad was elected... even if he has low approval ratings, its not like the US is any better? Bush's last rating was like 14%...
If you want to talk about suppression of women or whatever, do you not realize that the US was the exact same in it's history. Women were not even allowed to vote until the 19th ammendment. Furthermore, the rise of the feminist movement of the 1960s has restructured what was once a male-dominated culture in terms of working conditions, family peity, etc. Only in the last 30-40 years has all that changed. Just because Iran is still a little bit behind you can't be all IRAN IS NOT A FREE COUNTRY...
MOST COUNTRIES WOULD BE A LITTLE SCARED WHEN YOU HAVE THE BIGGEST MILITARY THREAT THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN ON BOTH SIDES OF THEIR COUNTRY... AKA THE US HAS SHATTERED THE FOUNDATIONS OF AFGHANISTAN AND IRAQ... IRAN IS WILLING TO DO ALL THAT IT TAKES TO NOT LET IT HAPPEN TO THEM...
BUT THEY WILL DEFEND THEMSELVES IF NEED BE...
IF THIS HAPPENS, SAY HELLO TO 300 DOLLAR OIL AND BYE BYE AMERICAN ECONOMY...
GIVE THEM A BREAK AND THINK OBJECTIVELY...
your SUBJECTIVE opinions are what makes this country on the brink of disaster...
GO DO SOME RESEARCH AND COME BACK HERE...
PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST...
Furthermore, constitutionally for the US, we had no right putting Israel into place just to let you know... Do you think it is just Iran who questions the validity of Israel? If so, you are sorely mistaken because a lot of the Middle East questions their validity. Is the answer bombing the entire Middle East? I hope not... "Israel has over 200 nuclear weapons... they can take care of themselves." -RP
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If Iran attacked Israel, then Israel would take out Iran in two seconds... It is not the United States job to protect Israel... Why is that so hard to understand?
Over 1/3 of all United States foreign aide goes to Israel. That is more then 7 times the amount of foreign aide we provide to the entire continent of Africa!
Iran is not as big a threat as you think. Probably cause you spend all of your time watching Fox News or the general media all-together.
The media are beating their war-drums with propaganda just like they did before we went to war with Iraq.
FURTHERMORE, what most people don't realize is that a lot of the governing elite are secretly apocalyptic minded Judeo-Christians who believe in an end-game scenerio that is explained in the Bible. It states that a great war will take place in Israel and Jerusalem. That is one of the reasons that their has been so much militarism in the middle east over the last 30 years and the culmination has occurred in the last 5 years. Hopefully, people will see through this veil and will not push the trigger on a nuclear bomb... but in the end, attacking Iran would be bad for the entire world, not just Iran, Israel, or the US... so don't attack Iran...
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you must have took me wrong. i dont want to attack iran. i think we should put sanctions on them though. i think doing nothing would be a big gamble. i hope your right about iran not being as dangerous as me and most of the world thinks. that would be great. your right. we dont need to protect isreal. they seem to be able to do that on their own. i dont believe all your propaganda talk though. and secret propaganda. thats on oximoron. propaganda isnt secret. if its secret its not propaganda. i know what your saying about secretly apocalyptic minded judeo-christians who belive in the bibles end game scenerio. yes, i also hope they dont make decisions based on that. i dont know the story personally but my mother studied it. she said the conflict between isreal and the palistineans is a curse or a punishment from god that dates back to the times of the old testament. makes you think hu. it did me. i agree, attacking iran would be bad. i think it could easily start a world war over oil. that may put the whole worlds economies at risk. i dont think doing nothing is the answer though. we used sanctions on north korea and they worked. bush is wanting to take them off of the terrorist watch list. i think thats great. how about you? its nice to agree with you on some things. i was beginning to worry about you. lol just kidding
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oh, we didnt put saddam into power. we sold him weapons and supported his war with iran though. than during the gulf war and probably in the beginning of this war they shot at us with the weapons we sold them. yes i know that. crazy isnt it.
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By selling him weapons and supporting him, that means that we put him in power... the only reason that he would do what we said was because we gave him the weapons and did not mess with him... think about it this way... if his political rivals would have done the same thing, asked for the US's support for full cooperation, then we would have done the same for them... therefore putting them in power... so yes we did put Saddam into power... any person with a history degree or just one who has read objectively in the subject will tell you that for sure... it is common knowledge....
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as far as iran having a nuclear weapons program goes. most of the world believes they do. personally i havent went over there and checked. no they dont have a means of delivering those weapons and i havent said once that i think we should bomb iran. i agree, let isreal take care of it. as i have already said we shouldnt do nothing though. i do believe we can do away with the threat peacefully. whithout sanctions that will isolate them they will easily be able to develop missiles that will reach any point in the world. we have. others have. what makes you think they cant. i guess if you call killing people for not agreeing with the government, for being homosexual, for having a porn web site or any other thing the government doesnt like free than yes they are free. i dont think that is in the definition of freedom. i could be wrong but i dont think so. if iran nukes us than its ok to bomb them. wouldnt it be better to stop them before they kill thousands of americans. i could be wrong but i think it would be. i already explained to you why i agreed with taking saddam out. abraham lincoln had low approval ratings because of the war he fought. he went through anti-war hassels just like bush is. people thought he should keep the federal government out of the states business. in the end he abolished slavery and went down in history as one of america's greatest presidents. i dont give a damn about them approval ratings for any president. i dont believe in any of the polls. i have asked a lot of people if they have ever been involved in any poll. i have yet to get a yes. who are they asking. liberals. it seems to me you can get any result you want on a poll. if you want to make a liberal president look bad poll the conservatives. if you want to make a conservative president look bad poll the liberals. its that simple. approval ratings are a joke. you talk about our founding fathers and the old time presidents like they were so great. look what they did to the indians. it was as bad as what saddam did and iran still does. i'm not so proud of them myself. the u.s. has shattered the foundation of afghanistan. are you kidding me. the talliban were letting people starve, they couldnt go to school, they had no jobs, they were murdered left and right... i cant believe you even said that. i havent seen fear from iran. i see agressive threats. iraq hasnt been shattered. they were freed from tyranny. afghanistan and iraq both are both thankfull. they have went on tv and out right and told us that. and yes i believe that. why would anyone not be thankfull for what we did for them. we invaded america and put ourselves in place in the land that didnt belong to us. are you saying that that makes us invalidated. validated or isreal id there. leave them be.
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Some of your comments are just pathetically ignorant... the only thing that afghanistan people are proud of are their opium (heroin) boom crops... once again, our military allows them to grow because they are profiting from it in some way... I don't want to go further into the subject because you have already said that you don't believe in the military or army shipping drugs into the U.S... go out and rent American Gangster... it is a true story bro... not one made up... it is much more complicated now though and the higher levels of the military, army, and govt' all profit from the lucrative drug trade....
I KNOW THAT YOU ARE REDICULOUS WHEN YOU SAY THAT LINCOLN IN ONE OF OUR GREATEST PRESIDENTS.... C'mon just do some f-ing research.... stop being a dumbass....
The Founding Fathers aka Washington, Franklin, Jefferson were not a part of the mass indian genocide that happened after the American Revolution. Yes, there are instances of it taking place in the colonial periods, but you have to realize that the paradigm of thinking of the time was "manifest destiny" and "survival of the fittest"... they actually believed it was their destiny to "pacify the savages" that they saw the indians to be... I am not trying to justify their actions in any way, I am merely saying that the paradigm of thinking at the time was that it was their destiny to control all of America... I have to go but I will write further on the subject later....
When you say "why would anyone not be thankfull for what we did for them.", it seriously makes me want to throw up.... Do you think the 500,000-1,000,000 innocent Iraqi citizens that have died since our invasion of Iraq would be saying this? Or how about the other 4 million Iraqis who are now displaced as refugees? Do you think they are happy we are there?
YOUR SUBJECTIVE THOUGHT PROCESS is appalling...
think about how others feel besides yourself...
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saddams war with iran had nothing to do with him becoming the president of iraq. he was in power before that war. we sold him weapons because iran was already an enemy of ours. we didnt tell him what to do in that war. we didnt give him weapons. we sold them to him. i dont know where you got your information but the iraq-iran war didnt put saddam into power. as i said he was already in power. he joined the baath party, became the right hand man of the previous iraq president. than pushed him out and weasled his way in killing anyone that opposed him.
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i dont have the slightest idea what the afghanistan people are proud of. i never commented about them being proud of anything. yes, they do have a large opium crop. the last i heard we werent sure what to do about it because there are so few jobs over there after the talliban took over that its a lot of peoples only income. the army isnt profiting off of it though. i'll tell you whats stupid is getting your news from "american gangster". your beliefs sound so unbelievable i'm beginning to wonder if your playing a joke on me. are you trying to tell me that america doesnt think that lincoln was one of our greatest presidents. i didnt say you or your buddies. i said america. if you dont think america thinks that than you must of just arrived here from another planet. again youve got to be kidding me. survival of the fittest...thats how i decided to look at it so i wouldnt harbor such resentment to our forfathers. but as you said, it started in the colonial times. than it got worse until about the beginning of the 20th century than tapered off. america stole their land, took away their way of life, tried to de-indianize them, murdered them, raped their woman, stole their riches...that's the truth and that was wrong no matter how me or anyone looks at it. the afghanistans and iraqi's both are enjoying democratic societies now. is it as comfortable as ours is yet. no. did afghanistans and iraqi's die from our bombs. yes. but not even close to as many as you are saying. and not even close to as many as were being killed before we went in. most of those thousands that were killed, were killed by the talliban and the insurgents, not americans. do you think we gained and maintained our freedom without loss of life. its a sad cost of democracy. refugees in a war, imagine that. well of course there's refugees in war. the people get the hell out of the way. but when they come back, they have something to come back to. we arent just fighting over there you know. we are rebuilding their infrustructure, schools, housing, banks...all kinds of stuff. yes, in both countries the majority of the people are thankfull and they are expressing it. our soilders are proud of what they did and continue to do over there. i hear it all the time. if you dont its because you close your ears to anything that tears apart your conspiracy theory's. i think that they would like to be able to defend their country on their own. but i dont think they want us to leave until they can do that. you know, its obvious that you are way out there on the left fringes about some things and way out on the right fringes about others. the left and right fringes are where the nuts hang out. you are an extremely paranoid person who obviously gets your information from other nuts.
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I will no longer argue with you... you seem to know it all... how much do you get paid to come on to websites like these and argue about things that you know are obviously false?
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It is easy to spot a fake when someone writes without putting paragraphs or punctuating correctly without any capital letters... I am a constitutionalist... how is that a fringe group?
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What we're seeing in this argument is the clash of the far left and the far right.
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i am a conservative that believes in small taxes and small government. on some issues i lean toward the center. do i think we need to continually keep an eye on the government to mantain liberty. yes i do. do i think that the media is controled by the government. no i dont. the media and many other organizations keep a close eye on the government. do i think the government is totally innocent of any coruption. no i dont. do i think there is a big evil plot in the government to do away with the constitution and control the whole world. not i dont. have i heard a motive for the 9/11 conspiracy theory. not i havent. have i seen any proof of the accusations mr e and his group of fanatics push. no i havent. mr e is a paranoid person who thinks the governmetn is out to get him. he blindly hates people. immaturely calls them names. compares them to evil people when theres no comparison at all. he's a conspiracy freak who will twist things all around just to come up with an exciting theory. i think he has missed his calling. he should got to hollywood and make movies. his theory's would make great ones. if i were writing a book i would pay attention to my grammer and stuff. on here i couldnt care less. a fake, oh yea. i'm a fake. i really dont believe what i say. i think just what you think. yea right.
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